The Most Unique and Least Popular Personality Type: That's Me! (The Happiness Quotient)

The Most Unique and Least Popular Personality Type: That's Me! (The Happiness Quotient)

21 December marked the Winter Solstice in the northern hemisphere. On that day I posted the inaugural episode of The Happiness Quotient (Episode #63 - with the Reverend Freakchild). My intent on posting this "first" of the rebranded Baker Street with Thom Pollard on the shortest, darkest, emotionally coldest day of the year, was filled with intended irony. The Happiness Quotient, to those disinterested in looking beneath the hood, is NOT a touchy-feely, sage-burning, happy happy, New Age type cure-all for the maladies of western civilization. On the contrary, The Happiness Quotient endeavors to enlighten listeners/viewers (like me!) with information, knowledge and inspiration to conquer that which stifles our ability to experience the full range of happiness in this life.

Why is Happiness in the title? Each individual that has ever been born on this planet was born a perfect, fully loving being, pure and endowed with the essence of innate happiness. As soon as a baby begins interacting with the world, receiving messages and energy from those around him or her, that baby takes on the vibrations of whatever confusion, anger, sadness and depression, or malevolence that those people may be experiencing. In the process, a baby must navigate through life having taken on the energies of those who raised him or her. Happiness, however, is innate and deep inside, requiring a vision of clarity and openness to experience it. I'm not talking about the happiness one feels when receiving a gift or a back massage. I'm talking about pure happiness.

Why is Quotient in the title of the episode? A quotient is the sum of one number divided into another. Metaphorically, as an individual goes through life s/he gains experience, and, ultimately, wisdom. On The Happiness Quotient listeners/viewers learn and become inspired by the wisdom and experiences of the guests we meet on the podcast. In so doing, we're able to whittle away - through deduction - the preconceptions and fixed ways of thinking that has kept us in ignorance. When we attain a quotient, of sorts, we begin to experience true happiness.

So, today I was doing a bit of research for my next episode when I saw that Jordan Peterson, a psychologist/philosopher that I admire, is an INFJ in the Meyers-Briggs world of personality testing. INFJ stands for Introverted, Intuitive, Feeling, Judging. The INFJ is the least common personality, according to studies. Only 1.5% of all people who test for it turn out to be INFJ. That also happens to be what Jordan Peterson is. Another thing I saw in my research was that INFJ is one of the LEAST liked personality traits. Well, I bent over laughing at that one. If you know me, my gut tells me that few would describe me as an offensive person. Maybe I broke the mold?  If you're so inclined, here's the test: 16 Personalities free test.

This is the essence of The Happiness Quotient: Connected, engaged, passionate people inspire us to discover our own truths, and help make our lives more meaningful by challenging our preconceptions, our fixed and unbending ways of thinking and living. My journeys have taken me around the globe, from Easter Island to the top of Mount Everest and everywhere in between. But the greatest adventure of all is life itself….the journey of the soul, the search for meaning. On The Happiness Quotient we meet inspiring people and hear amazing stories that help us unlock the mysteries. They in turn help us grow in wisdom, revealing the inner happiness we were all born with.

I hope you'll sample episode #63 or any of our past episodes and join the community of citizens of the universe who wish to reveal their true nature.

Here's the link to the episode, Healing Power of Music and the Reverend Freakchild

Peace and Love,

Thom Dharma Pollard

About The Author


Calling Upon Voices of the Past for Inspiration, Bob Marley's War and my Patreon Experiment

Hi Friends, I took the leap and am now officially on Patreon, with exactly ZERO supporters!  I smile, because I didn't get into podcasting for the money. However, I'm putting the vibe out there in hopes to raise some funds for new equipment and a bit o' mojo. If you're interested, below is the Patreon link. Oh, and if you get to Camp 1 of support, you get a mug with MY 'mug' on it. Talk about inspiring!

HERE'S THE TRANSCRIPT TO MY RECENT EPISODE (SEASON 2 EPISODE 10) about atonement, and gaining inspiration from philosophers of the past. ENJOY!



THOM: (00:11)
THOM: One year ago tonight, I crawled back into my tent at advanced base camp on Mount Everest in Tibet. Earlier in the day, I had had the symptoms of what is known as a transient ischemic attack. TIA, as it's known as, is like a small stroke, and I was told that what I should do is not go up the mountain.

THOM: (00:54)
Hmm. And

THOM: (00:58)
When I went back to my tent that evening, I made the decision to go up no matter what. And here I am tonight, listening to the sound of a barred owl calling out into the night, hauntingly, beautifully, soulfully reminding me that going with my gut instincts, going with what feels right inside of my body

THOM: (01:32)

Speaker 2: (01:35)
It is the only way to go

THOM: (01:44)
Welcome to Baker street with Tom Pollard, that recording that introduction that you just heard was made about two weeks ago in my driveway at night, you can hear the barred owls echoing into the night, incredible creatures that live near here with the other beings of the air and of the earth. I intended at that time to use it for a Baker street episode. And this very episode, episode number 10 is fitting for the matter at hand. One thing I want to say here off the bat is you shouldn't believe a word. I say, when you hear something from anyone, be it a podcaster or a politician or a preacher or priest don't believe what they say. Don't take it as fact, what people don't do often enough is to go deep inside to ask themselves if what they're hearing serves their higher. Good. And if it doesn't, then the question has been answered. If it does not serve your higher good. When you come from a place of love, then you know that it, it isn't a truth and it is not for you.

THOM: (03:13)
And so today we're going to talk about equality about Haile Salassie Rastafarianism about judgment, inner peace and how they all tie together with recent events in the United States and the world, the activities in the United States and the world appear to have risen really to a fever pitch in the last several months. But going back about a year that the protests and uprising in Hong Kong began basically over China, who had planned to extradite a prisoner to the mainland for prosecution and the protests ultimately worked tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands of people got behind it. And in time in September, China actually repealed their plan to begin. Extraditing prisoners to the mainland. And the protesters now have have a core set of demands. One of them is, is for the government not to call them rioters, but in the year, since those, those peaceful protests started and they've turned violent protesters, some of them throwing petrol bombs at police police have responded with live bullets.

THOM: (04:31)
There have been deaths, thousands of injuries, casualties to protesters and police alike. And then here in the United States arising out of the senseless death of George Floyd in Minneapolis. Back at the end of may at the hands of a police officer who along with three other police officers standing by have all been charged with murder. George Floyd was a black man whose death has set off growing unrest and dis ease here in the United States, exacerbated greatly by a growing political and economic divide in this country and the world. This has been going on for time immemorial and occasionally things quiet down. People go back into their places. And as time goes on political parties, the gap between them widens and in the last week or so, I personally grew increasingly restless after watching with total indignation and rage as the protests grew across the country and the world, which in my estimation was, was really just catalyzed by George Floyd's death.

THOM: (05:48)
That it was, it was rumbling and grumbling and growling in the stomach of, of the beast, ready to rise up where the vacuous gap between the haves and have nots has grown out of control and people are angry, many blame it on the current administration, which seems willing to go to any lengths to protect its own interests. It continues to pander to the base voters, most of whom who have zero in common with the wealthy elite running the government. And I mean that on both sides of the fence, but most egregiously from the standpoint of the current administration, creating tax loops for corporations and the top 1% who seem to just be getting richer and richer. So why I bring this up today is not to launch into a bitch session and grieve my woeful position as one of the 99%. But to talk about how my inner sanctuary was uprooted this week at my own doing by the fact that I allowed the negativity and low vibrational energy of newscasts news, the news that came across through my telephone and my television, I let it invade my inner peace instead of just watching.

THOM: (07:04)
I did let it, let it upset and topple my inner peace. I grew angry. And as you heard in last week's episode, I began posting fervently on my social media, particularly Twitter, but also Facebook, even on Instagram on my story, which here to for has always been a nonpolitical zone of mine, kind of a, a safe place where I could focus on things of creativity, mountain climbing, electric guitars, and other like-minded artists and filmmakers and nature lovers could share with me the things that they love as well. So the other day I made a post on Facebook pointing out a comment that was made by former secretary of state Madeline Albright, the first woman, secretary of state in the United States. And she was interviewed about Trump and how he's played into the hands of, of Russian premier, Vladimir Putin, and how in communist theology, she shared, there's a saying about having a useful idiot to help their cause.

THOM: (08:15)
And she said something to the nature of, I don't really have to say anymore for you to understand the point that I'm making. And so I posted the quote and was very quickly called out by a guy I've known for years who lives up in the Valley, where I live. And he thought that the post was beneath me B look, he seemed defended and actually kind of angry. He called me out saying that was really below my level of intelligence. And at first I was upset and, um, you know, I, my ego was damaged a little bit and, but it really sent me along on a thought trajectory where second thought I thought about what I'm really all about. Who am I, what do I want to portray to the world? What do I want the inside workings of myself and soul to feel like every day that I wake up, no matter the chaos that might be going on outside, how do Y want to spend my days?

THOM: (09:17)
And what do I want to project to my friends and to the people who listened to my podcast in that very moment, it was as if my wheels became re-engaged on the tracks. I felt that once calm in control and extremely thankful for that post that this guy had had made on my page, which I have since deleted, I reached out to him and I said, you know, this is by private message. And I just said, listen, I, I hear ya. You know, um, thanks for reminding me, um, that maybe I'd let the emotions get the best of me. I, it doesn't change my opinion. I still feel very strongly about those things, but it made me realize, you know, I am better than that. I've got more to offer the world than my ramblings and quotes from Madeline Albright, as much as I do believe that she is a brilliant woman and, uh, but I'm best doing the things that I'm best at.

THOM: (10:18)
And so I'm going to quote two other people today. Um, I'm going to talk about Albert Einstein and Haile Salassie so, yeah. Um, so this is episode 10. Here we are in this COVID-19 world protests around the United States and the world, the economic and political divides appear to be growing greater. For me. My world has grown, colorful and enriching because I'm a person who has always seen that in our tragedies and losses comes an opportunity to learn. And when we're giving over to anger or particularly judgment, we're giving away our power. So I've said many times in this podcast, we create our reality with the thoughts that we empower. That's the very foundation of Baker street with Tom Pollard, more plainly put, when we have a thought inside of us, when we give it strength, when we give it power, empower it, it becomes us.

THOM: (11:26)
That's our reality. That's what we project to the world. So if we do what I did last week and allow thoughts of anger and judgment to consume me, that's the not only what I portrayed to the world, but that's what I was. I was very upset and I didn't sleep well through the night. The few nights that this took place, I woke up early. I was visibly not the person that I have always liked being. And that's person from a place of positivity. You know, when we give into fear, we ultimately give our power away. We stop becoming the master of our own experience. Your physical body is the reflection of the thought forms empowered by your consciousness. So we're all manifest from source. We are all one. We're all knowing indestructable beings of light. We are all in this together. We all come from source manifest the same place.

THOM: (12:31)
It has only one ending to this thing, and we're all going to die. And in the time between now, and then if we come from a place of love, our lives can be a lot happier and peaceful. So Albert Einstein said the soul given to each of us is moved by the same living spirit that moves the universe. So here's a guy who's known as a brilliant mathematician and physicist. And here he is talking about the soul given to each of us moved by the same living spirit that moves the universe. I think about that. There are consequences. This is me talking, not Albert Einstein, but the same offshoot. There are consequences. When you choose to come from a place of love. And then there are consequences. When you choose to come from a place of fear, one of them sets you free. And one of them imprisons you.

THOM: (13:26)
And that second one, the latter is from your own doing nobody, but yourself can make you feel fear or love. No external events can make you happy or unhappy. Prisoners of war being tortured have found joy. Don't get me wrong. They want to be out, but they're, they're not broken or beaten down in terms of who their soul is from any condition being imposed upon them. We're connected to one greater living thing, not a he or a she, but in it. And when we understand that we become less judgmental toward the other beings with whom we share this journey. So when you find yourself doubting or limiting yourself, release those doubts into space up toward our source, transmute them with love and then learn through experience by the mistakes. There are no mistakes, but by those mistakes that we've made. And remember when we judge another or giving away our power do not embrace judgment around anything, everything you judge, you support energetically at the expense of your physical and emotional wellbeing.

THOM: (14:46)
When you judge it allows others from physical and nonphysical levels to feed off your life force, don't give away your power. Haile Salassie was an emperor of Ethiopia back in 1930, up until about 1974, his internationalist views was part of why Ethiopia became a charter mender member of the United nations. And in 1936, among other things he condemned Italy's use of chemical weapons against its people during the second Italo Ethiopian war. So he was, uh, outspoken for equality and, and against racism. Now I know that there are people who have done their research, that Haile Salassie was also criticized by some, for his suppression of, of various rebellions in Ethiopia. Um, and he opposed certain reforms that, uh, you know, that some say hampered Ethiopia's ability to modernize rapidly, but, but for the sake of this podcast, and I'm, I'm embracing that there was a negative side to him.

THOM: (15:59)
Like there are to all of us, um, on among the Rastafari movement, Haile Salassie is, was, but is still, even though he's been dead for decades, um, as the returned Messiah of the Bible, God incarnate and beginning in Jamaica in the 1930s, the Rastafarian movement, uh, thought of him as a figure who could lead them in the Rastafarians into eternal peace and prosperity. There's a song that Bob Marley does and it's called war. And it sounds so much like that song could be spoken today. And I'm able to read the words to that song because the words to the song war were taken from a speech that Haile Salassie gave to the United nations in 1963. And it was published in a book back in, um, the early 1970s, which States that any portion of the book could be reproduced without permission, which is pretty cool, perfect for a podcast or like me looking for content.

THOM: (17:16)
So here's part of Selassie's speech that Marley put to music in war. You should look it up and play it and crank it. And I'm going to read it for you because anybody who's aware and familiar with the events that are going on in the United States today, we'll see that our struggles are not new. It's on the question of racial discrimination. He talked about as long as there is racial discrimination to those who will learn there is this further, further, less than that until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned that until there are no longer first class and second class citizens of any nation, that until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes. That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race that until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship, and the rule of international morality will remain, but a fleeting illusion to be pursued, but never attained.

THOM: (18:38)
And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes that hold our brothers in subhuman bondage have been toppled and destroyed until bigotry and prejudice and malicious and inhuman self-interest have been replaced by understanding and tolerance and Goodwill until all people stand and speak as free beings equal in the eyes of all men, as they are in the eyes of heaven. Until that day, we will not know peace. We will fight if necessary. And we know that we show when, as we are confident in the victory of good over evil that's Haile Salassie. I swapped out some of the words. He talked about Angola and Mozambique and South Africa and Africa, but as a world nation, his words hold true. So as our nation, the United States and the world, those listeners I have from Australia, from Nepal, from India, from Finland, from France, from Italy, from Spain, I have friends all over the world, listening to this.

THOM: (19:44)
As we ponder racial and economic chasms that continue to grow, we can do our part by remaining centered, coming from a place of love, not judging others or ourselves, staying above the fray, not giving away our power by investing in ways to harm or discredit someone we disagree with. When we do that, we only give away our power, our power. That's all we have. And we have this life we do that. We make that other person, the object of our scorn or disagreement. We make that person politician whomever, more powerful. We're giving it away to that person, hold onto your power. Keep your love. Stay centered, come from a place of love. We're all in this together. This life in this realm, we're going in the same direction. Whenever that fateful day may arrive, it will be over. And we will only have our legacy to call back upon handle yourselves with integrity, mend ways.

THOM: (20:49)
With those, you disagree with fight hard for your beliefs. Yes. Vote on November 3rd. If you are an American citizen and you disagree with the current administration, as I admittedly do urge others to vote as well, use your voice. Don't lean too far left. Don't lean too far, right? Stay in the center. Keep your wheels on the tracks and listen to the voices of those who disagree with you and be open to change. Listen to the voice of others as I did from that Facebook post, thankful for that person to remind me about who I am today, because of that disagreement on Facebook, which has now been deleted. We both admittedly grew in respect for each other. Peace and love to you all. I will see you real soon with another Baker street with Tom Pollard. I leave you now with the wisdom of the owls of New Hampshire.

THOM: (21:53)

Episode 23 of Baker Street transcribed!

Episode 23 of Baker Street with Thom Pollard has made quite an impact on a few listeners. So much so, that I've decided to transcribe it below. The Episode is about why one should never lie, how it impacts our destiny. It's also about encouraging others, and why that is so important. Below is the transcript.

(Episode 23 in audio form can be found at - scroll down and click on Episode 23. You also can find my podcast on iTunes, Pandora, Spotify and wherever podcasts are found.)



MUSIC: (00:03)

Thom Pollard: (00:17)
Welcome to Baker street. This is Thom Pollard. Thank you for coming back again. It has been a long couple of weeks, lots going on. I am eagerly watching the last of the crop, if you will, of Monarch caterpillars turning into the chrysalis and flying away and the late season Monarch butterflies are the ones that catch the thermals and fly down to Mexico for our winter. And then they come back and lay the eggs and those are the eggs of the, of the monarchs that hatch back up here on our patches of milkweed that we see flying around in the summertime. And I reluctantly release summer and slowly bring autumn in, And it's been a good autumn. I'm still having fire pits. I've got a good fire pit. Last night I was warm and, and got in just in time. And then a couple of hours later after I was sound asleep, I was awakened by the sound of rain and it was very peaceful. So it's kind of an interesting time of year. I always feel a little melancholy this time of year as summer slips away and the cooler evenings settle in. I do love fall foliage but I'd take summer pretty much anytime. I just love the warm weather and walking around barefoot outside and that's kind of my groove.

Thom Pollard: (01:52)
We are together again on Baker Street. So come on in and why don't you guys put your feet up, get the most comfortable chair in the living room because today we're going to talk about destiny and our calling, and primarily why one should never tell a lie. It's not going to be a long podcast. Right to the point. Rip your heart out and then set you free to go look for your own Monarch butterflies flying off to Mexico like I think that some of us wish we could for the warm weather down there.

MUSIC: (02:35)

Thom Pollard: (02:37)
We are listening to my man Lobo Loco and I picked this song not only because I love his music, but the name of the song is Battled Daemons. And for those of you who have ever read about or read Socrates, he talked about his daemon, not his demon, but a daemon being a sixth sense, if you will, a voice that would speak to him when a thought or, or an urge came upon him or that was improper or or immoral. But daemon would speak to him and, and, and remind him that, that it would be better for him to not do what it was he was thinking about or about to say. So Battle Daemons - daemons, in the context from what I just shared with you are really good but - but they, they linger and are, call us to our attention, the bad things that can go through our mind. And that's why also I picked it was because we're going to talk a little bit about destiny and calling and why one should never tell a lie.

MUSIC: (03:55)

Thom Pollard: (04:07)
When we do not act in accordance to the central spirit of our being, we become off kilter. And I say that meaning we have been put on this planet and there's this fire that burns within us that some listen to and some do not. And millions and millions of people live their entire lives, never truly listening to their central spirit of their being and die. And, and when those people die, for every person who dies, never having followed that central spirit, the world ends up, a,, a colder place. And so the calling of this episode is to, to urge all, to listen to the central spirit of our being, to avoid becoming off kilter. Uh, this world is very, very difficult. The Buddha said that life is suffering and, and eh, but for our ways to transcend that we can accept that we can understand, yes, that, that life is suffering.

Thom Pollard: (05:18)
And in so doing, we can experience the vicissitudes of life, the ups and the downs. And, and in, in, in order to do that, we have to let go of attachment. Attachment not only to our material objects or to the love or affection of another or attachment to our own bodies or, if you will, of living here, cause we're all going to die that much as assured and we're gonna lose things that we love or that we desire. And so if we were able to let go of our attachments and accept that everything is change constantly,

Thom Pollard: (05:58)
...that change is everywhere. That is the one thing that will always be happening. A beautiful feeling will change. It will go away. An awful feeling we'll change that will also go away. And everyone knows deeply in their heart that there's a calling essential spirit. Everyone knows it. We're all human and we've been put on this planet for a purpose and go back in some of my earlier episodes, and I talk about the purpose of life, that, that ability and that, that freedom for us to go and explore our creativity all as one as connected to the source, we, which we all are. So some whom the world often chastises or conversely, champions for living their own calling are heedless to the judgment and rejection of others because they know that their central calling is tantamount to their survival, to their own, if you will. their way of transcending the fact that there is suffering, that there's sadness, that there is death, that we're all gonna die.

Thom Pollard: (07:10)
So we have to look at those people who have, who have gotten up the courage to live the life that they were meant to be on this earth for and, and understand that that somewhere deep within them, they have a gratitude for everything. Everything that happens in their life, the good, the bad, the ugly, the indifferent. And for me personally, I've spoken about this before in losing my brother to suicide. My soul mate, my best friend, it completely threw my world off-kilter. I was, you know, I, I was, I was gonzo baby. I, you know, my dad had passed away only three months before and my brother kinda rallied and, and then boom, you know, he, he was gone and, and I, the, the, the rug was swept out from underneath my feet. Any, any bullshit lie I'd ever told myself about, you know, me, transcending suffering was I was, I was on my ass.

Thom Pollard: (08:12)
I was, I was right on the ground. And so, you know, and also God knows, I look in the mirror and know that that ugliness of, of whatever moved my brother to do what he did is within me. It's in us all. We all have that capacity for evil and ugliness. But what we also have a deep and profound and undying capacity for love, for, for joy and, and, and the people who truly embrace that, who understand that, that, that every, any person who is happy, who comes from that place of love makes the world a better place. Those people who do that actually wish not only for their lives to get better each day, but for the lives of those around us. Even our, if you will, enemies. I've spoken about Ubuntu, that, that notion that when one wins, the community wins. When one succeeds and, and, and loves the community, succeeds and loves.

Thom Pollard: (09:24)
Imagine what a world that would be if we were to encourage just one other human being every day just in the smallest way. I have a close friend and she's a middle school teacher and I had this conversation with her recently and talked about how important it is. You know, I love kids. I could never be a teacher. I couldn't do it. I used to think, Oh man, you know, there's oh it's such an easy job. It's not, it's such a big job. But I could never do it. I, I always had to be off flitting off around the world on this adventure, that adventure. But, but here are these teachers, they, they, they stand in front of this class and in this classroom there's 20 kids or 25 middle school kids, 12, 13 some going through puberty, some who are outcasts of some who are, you know, the, the stud or the hot shot or the, or the girl who's pretty and all this different levels and, and we'd never know what, what insecurities or fears are within them.

Thom Pollard: (10:26)
And back to that conversation with my friend who was the school teacher, I said, can you imagine how incredible it would, how incredible it would be for each kid in, in every class that you teach for every single kid to hear maybe once a week because every day you can't do it. But every week or maybe every two weeks or 10 days, that every single kid that comes into that classroom is told how capable they are individually of such great things and how beautiful and perfect they are. Just the way they are and all that they have to do. Just one small thing they have to do. Yup. This is the thing that cripples people, is have the courage to embrace the central spirit of what burns within them. Now, for a kid who maybe has a parent who tells them that they're good for nothing or they'll never amount to anything, and I never had that.

Thom Pollard: (11:31)
My parents were so cool and they told me how amazing I was probably almost over the top. But there are kids out there who go home and their parents tell them, you are a piece of trash. You are nothing. And they believe it. Can you imagine that teacher telling them, you are amazing. You can do great things. All you have to do is embrace essential spirit of what burns within you. Now you take your time, you wait, you hold onto it and any friend who tells you you're crazy for having that central spirit of what burns within you. If any friends who says that stupid, they're not your friend, therein. Is that secret to life. How do I know who my friends are? Boom. You know immediately your friends are the ones who embrace you the way you are and who champion your successes.

Thom Pollard: (12:22)
And comfort you and your loss, right? How many times have we hung out with people or gotten married to people who treated us like crap, but because we were so weak and, and lacking self guidance and assurance that we stayed in those relationships taking the abuse, Oh, I'm good for nothing. I deserve that. So how do, how if a kid looks at you, or your friend and they say, how do I embrace that spirit within me? And the way to do it is to live in truth. And how do we live in truth? Well, it's, it's by speaking the truth, by not literally, literally, fundamentally by not lying, which we all tell small lies every day perhaps, you know, um, I'm not talking about, you know, how do I look in this dress kind of thing and saying, Oh, you know, it looks great.

Thom Pollard: (13:27)
I mean, the truth might be miserably on the opposite end of that. But sometimes not lying. Is is merely done by not opening your mouth, telling the truth if you, you know, so and, and if we're, and here we are, we're all on our path toward, we're all going in that same place. We're all gonna die. So if we're going to do something, we fricking might as well do that. We might as well aim for some thing that we believe in, right. Instead of, Oh, you know, I think I need to be doing this, or I think I need, you know, you know, you know what the central spirit of your heart is. So many people spend the rest of their, their entire lives crushing it. I've had friends, some of my best friends who were artists or writers and, and they gave it up because, and that's fine.

Thom Pollard: (14:32)
They made their choice because they were like, well, I, I want a bigger house or I want a better car. I want to send my kids to private school. It's fine. I have no judgment about it. What I'm saying is I could never do that. And wow. You know, I, I, I that well it cost me marriage I suppose in a way. And I know my children listen to my podcast. I'm not saying I was a letch or anything but, but I couldn't do anything but go after the person I was put on this planet to be honest. But the one thing at least,

MUSIC: (15:07)

Thom Pollard: (15:10)
it at least at least I was going after something right. Why not? Why not go after something that means something true to who you are? And if you lose the person who you're married to because of it, then who cares? At least you're going after the right thing and you can look in the mirror with dignity and integrity. If you don't do anything malevolent or unkind or tell that person things that hurt them and then your children can look you in the eye and know that you are real.

Thom Pollard: (15:50)
The only way to live properly is not to lie to yourself or to others to allow the truth to shine through and not, not, not until allow yourself to be condemned or judged by those we pass by each day. Who are pissed off and angry because their lives suck worse than yours and they just want nothing more than to read about you failing. There's a lot of people out there like that.

Thom Pollard: (16:14)
We don't hate them. The people who come from that place of truth and love don't hate them. We don't judge them. We just don't spend a lot of time in their presence. They're hurting too. They need hope. God knows every single student in that classroom needs hope. Every single person who goes unnoticed every day elsewhere, they cry for some level of understanding or encouragement that they are perfect. You know? Tell them their lives will improve if they practice that. If they practice just living the truth, honoring what light burns inside of them. Never lying is a big challenge for some. I mean, Holy crap. Some people, that's all they do is lie, but, but how about just by not opening your mouth when you feel a lie coming on, that's a good start. That's a darn good start. So many of hopeless, you know, hopelessness in their lives. And you know, when we start to embrace things that come from the truth of who we are and why we were put on this planet, we start to become, you know, surrounded by people who are doing the same.

Thom Pollard: (17:30)
I listened to this, this, this speech recently by Jordan Peterson, who, God, I'm just, this guy tells it like it is. Um, he says, he says something about we're always bettering betting our life on something. And if you make a commitment truth, your life straightens out in that we find a meaning. And now these are my words, cause I'm just rattling off a conviction. We find dignity by undertaking something of importance in ourselves, in the core of who we are, why God or Source put us here. We literally changed the world one for ourselves. But by coming into contact with the hundreds or thousands of people that we have known or that we know, they come into contact with a man or woman of dignity who is willing to lose, willing to be judged, willing to be shunned by people, for living their conviction. And that is inspiring to students.

Thom Pollard: (18:38)
That is inspiring to the people who have no hope. And when we treat ourselves as an entity that's worth something by just doing something so simple as not lying. We show ourselves respect. And in doing so every day we grow in dignity and confidence. And so another thing that one time, one thing I heard from Jordan Peterson, he said, when you wake up in the morning, don't judge yourself on, on the people you look up to or your idols, judge yourself on the person that you were yesterday. That's, that's really cool because we can't be what other people are.

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Thom Pollard: (19:42)
So you know, I'm not ashamed to tell you, man, my life has been difficult at times. I was a complete screw up in business. I tried so many times. I was not a great husband. I didn't cheat. I wasn't a bad man. I, I never hit, but, but damn, I wasn't a great husband. I, I just, I mean, I'm pretty sure I was a damn good dad. You know, I, I lost it on my kids a few times. I mean, damn I, but, but for me, I felt like so many things like fell apart from me at times financially and, and even, you know, my brother committed suicide three months after my dad died of lung cancer and we had just moved into our new house up in the Mount Washington Valley of New Hampshire. I was a complete and utter mess and my wife at the time would walk into the kitchen and I'd be sitting there in front of the fire in front of the wood stove just staring.

Thom Pollard: (20:37)
And she asked me how I was and I couldn't even, I couldn't even talk. I couldn't even answer. And she would take my hand and say, stand up and walk me down the driveway, the little pond near our house just so I could go outside and reconnect with the trees and the grass and the air. Feel my toes in the grass. And, and in so doing, I started to remember that life was going on despite my own suffering inside, despite my incredible loss thinking, you know, my kids will never know my dad or my brother, you know, the way I knew them, and you know, well we still got divorced, but God bless her, she deserves something so much more than I was able to give her at the time, you know? And so doing that, the, the gift for me was that another human being looked into, the wretch that sat there before her. And in the simplest act of taking my hand showed me that even in the deepest depths of Hell there is, for lack of a better word, Whoa.

Thom Pollard: (21:43)
Now, almost 15 years after that suicide of my brother I've been just as broken many times in between then and I'm sure I will be again working for myself and just following my passion. But, but at least now I look at his tragedy, the tragedy of losing, losing him as a miracle, as a gift. And even in the evil, there's, there's beauty. And in one and I accepted that I was never angry with him. But by walking in that truth as one person at a time, we make this world more tolerable. We make it possible to ascend above this suffering and the death and the reality of that we will all one day die and lose those things that we love. You'll have to say goodbye to our dog or say goodbye to a parent. And if we lie, just one lie, we reject the foundation of what we are put here on earth to experience this, this, this flame that was born within us in our soul, this thing that will never be tampered - tampened? (laughs). And we reject the core of our own being by lying, the true spirit of our existence. The essential core being is to stand straight in truth and accept that which is in us and to be be a person of dignity and honor and courage and not to lie and to tell the truth. When we do open our mouths and speak and as more and more people grow up and take responsibility for themselves, they help eradicate malevolence in the world. Just by keeping their own house clean, to borrow the words of Jordan Peterson, and when we do that, the world is going to be a better place.

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Thom Pollard: (23:44)
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Episode 9 - F16 Fighter Pilot Uvaraj Rama, transcription

Here is the link to the incredible and inspiring interview with Uvaraj Rama, a Singaporean fighter pilot that went on to serve others in the public domain. Below the link please find the transcription. Please share!


Puja Ceremony: 00:11 [Puja ceremony]

Music Intro: 01:01 [music]

Thom : 01:24 Welcome to Baker street with Thom Pollard. Thank you for being here and to my regular listeners, thank you for your patience and awaiting my episode number nine. It has been quite some time since episode eight was released and do to many, many unforeseen difficulties, some of them bad weather, some of them, some physical illnesses and some related just to distance and poor website reception. I was unable to get any podcasts out and you know, it was kind of good to take a little break as I toiled away on the biggest mountain in the world, which I call Chomolungma, adopted from the Tibetans word for mother goddess of Mountains. Chomolungma. It was a beautiful expedition and I got to meet many fine people along the way. And that brings me to the guest that we will discuss many life experiences with today. A gentleman by the name of Uva Raj Rama, a Singaporan gentleman who became a fighter pilot in the Singapore air force.

Thom : 02:50 And then went on instead of retiring like he could have, he went on to do work to give back to run welfare homes and now is in Kathmandu, Nepal, where I conducted this interview about a week ago and discussed with him his desire to give back why it is something that he feels like he wants to do and what it is that he's done. And he is a fighter pilot through and through, but one of the nicest guys I've ever met. So as we get ready to interview Uva and me to introduce him to you, we first heard the sounds of a puja being performed in base camp in Tibet by a Sherpa who was a Llama, uh, trained as a lama and he was performing a Puja ceremony one evening in base camp to help ensure the success of climbing expedition members who were up on Mount Everest and pretty cool sounds.

Thom: 03:58 And then I meld it into it. The sounds of Metyu,VKTRD & Ondro M, a band that I have played before on Baker Street with Thom Pollard. We heard the song improvisation 1off of their Improvisations Volume II release from radio bunker. These guys are from Slovakia. I love them. They're awesome. Great groove music that I really enjoy seeing and hearing and hopefully we can find more out from these guys in the coming months or years and if you want to find out more about them you can look them up on the Free Music Archive, which is where I got this cut. But without further adieu, I'd like to introduce you to a remarkable young man named Uva Raj Rama.

Thom: 05:06 All right to my guests, I want to introduce a new friend of mine who I suspect will be a lifelong friend, a great gentleman who makes an impression on you from his kindness and his his. His demeanor is so lovely and friendly, but when you dig a little bit deeper and learn about his past, this gentleman has a past that shows a much more fierce and strong and persistent champion attitude that I just had to introduce him to my Baker Street with Thom Pollard podcast. His name is Uva Raj Rama and he is from Singapore. And now lives in Kathmandu. Welcome. Thank you for taking the time to talk to me.

Uva: 06:02 Thank you Thom for having me on. And thank you for kind words.

Thom: 06:07 I know. I'm not just trying to butter you up. It's true. You Ha there's something about you that is very gentle and kind and the smile. And I will also say just before we get and talk to Uva about his background and what he's doing now, um, he's one person who actually takes time to dress nicely in Kathmandu. So is this, is does this,

Uva: 06:36 thank you.

Thom: 06:37 There are people, people pretty much grub out in this city. It's, it's a, it's a warm, humid yeah. Uh, you know, kind of a subtropical place. So tell me a little bit about your background. You're from Singapore. (That's right.) And you are in your late thirties. We're just gonna leave it at that. You're a lot younger than me, but, um, but I like to think that I'm a, you know, we're peers. (Yeah. We're peers, yeah.) Um, tell me about your life. So you're from Singapore. What, what are your beginnings? How did this all happen?

Uva: 07:15 I was born in Singapore. Yeah. I think at the age of 17 and 18, if any to military the cumpulsory military service. Um, then on I've been on to officer cadetschool, got selected to become an officer and subsequently a signed up to become a pilot. Wow. Yeah. Um, it's been, uh, it's been a lifelong ambition for me to become a pilot. And, uh, when I, when I got the job as a Singapore air force pilot, he was a dream come true.

Thom: 07:43 Okay. So you, first thing you said was compulsory, so does that mean everybody serves in the military and the Republic of Singapore?

Uva: 07:49 That's right. At, uh, from the age of 18 for two and a half years.

Thom: 07:53 And um, so for you, you probably w I think what it, what it seems to have done for you is it, it started to get some gears turning and you started thinking, well, since I have to spend two and a half years, I might as well do something really cool that I love to do.

Uva: 08:10 Hmm. Um, kind of for me, my focus, because we have this first three months of basic military tutoring and the top 10% of this cohort gets selected for officer candidate school. And I wanted to be part of this top 10%. That was the first motivation. Yeah. If you do it, you do it best. I don't delete it all. Yeah. So yeah. So I went in, I was the top 10% and we went on to officer candidate school and that's when I thought, hey, let's sign up to be a pilot, because the pilot is a top 5% or something. Yeah. So Yup. I just putting the benchmarks for myself to test myself, to improve myself, to see whether I can attain those benchmarks and uh, yeah, I guess it's something which my dad taught me when I was young. Set goals for yourself. Achieve those goals. Yeah. And many a, I'll just keep you with a percent. Your word is gold. I abide by these principles. Yeah. So yeah, it's been an interesting journey, but a 15, 18 years of flying with the Air Force.

Thom : 09:05 Okay. Well, so you became a pilot, which is cool. But what the people listening don't know is you became a pilot of one of the most incredible fighter jets that has ever been made on this planet, the F-16. Right. So you're not just some guy flying a piper cub, which is cool, but you're, we're talking about a lean mean fighting machines. So to fly an F-16, you're already part of the top 10%. And then you said some of the 5% of that it can, you know, get into that training, (The fighter pilot school.) What Ha, what, what small percentage of guys get to fly, fly and F16?

Uva: 09:53 Oh, I mean the last 10 or so, but um, by 80 of us went into the flying school and about nine of us or 10 of US got selected for fighter school. Yeah. Uh, because there's a lot of trainings we have to go to two years of training before we get our can and stuff like that. And where it says everything about you. Yeah. Your physiology, psychology, everything. Everything was like, yeah, but it's, it's, well, when wasn't a hell of a ride.

Thom: 10:17 Yeah. So in all honesty, you as you said, they, they really drill you. I, I have a friend who's no longer living, but he was a friend of mine in college and he became a pilot and it was his dream to fly f 16's and. Um, he, believe it or not, he was a pilot, uh, one of the copilots, um, during 9/11 in, in, in an American Airlines plane that was flown into one of the World Trade Centers. And to me, he represented everything that would be an f 16 pilot. He was coincidentally one of the nicest guys I've ever known, but he was, when he wanted something, it was bad and he just went, but it wasn't knocking other people down in the way. He'd just focus. And he had this laser, he just would look at you when it, and we'd go into you. It was a huge loss for this guy. (I celebrate his bravery. He isa brave man.) Oh God. He was such a good, good man. Um, but, but you talked about like the mental part. So did you ever feel like giving up or or did you get more resolute?

Uva: 11:37 every time I come to a point where I don't really recall coming to a final, when I give up. I mean, whenever the going gets tough, I guess, I just get more reresolute wanting to, to make it. I think it makes me more determined to reach my goal. The more obstacles there are, the more and want to reach my goal. I think it's something from me from style. Uh, part of it is also because of my training in psychology, as well, I'm also a psychology associate. It helps to recognize mental fatigue, mental stress, uh, burnout and you're approaching burnout and stuff like that, both in the students' sense and when you're flying, when you put too much G's and stuff. And, uh, if you know your body, you, you learn to recognize the limitations of your body and, uh, that's very key in handling yourself during those high G stressful flights.

Thom : 12:27 So you said that your dad and I would imagine your mom as well, kind of just like, how were you raised? Were you one of many children or did what, what, what was your, what was your upbringing like?

Uva: 12:40 I was the eldest of three children. Uh, I've got a brother and a sister. Uh, my, my parents were pretty strict with us. I was usually the, the naughty one, the too active, I can never sit still for very long. My Dad is, is that there's a period of time and he, he left me alone at home when I was three years old, I think. Then he, he went out to the shop then have any, he came back, he saw me doing something and he was like, what are you doing? Apparently what I did was I took all the, I asked my, I remember my dad was telling me, I asked him for allowance, uh, I wanted to go buy some tid bits when I was three years old. He said, no. So I took all the stuff from inside my home. I laid it out on the veranda outside and I was selling it to my neighbors.

New Speaker: 13:23 (laughter)

Uva: 13:26 Oh my dad. Huh. You have a good future.

Thom: 13:30 So your dad wasn't mad. He was impressed?

Uva: 13:32 He was mad. I sold all his prized positions outside. I would say like laughing, you know, I mean, and that we still talk about it once in a while. He shares it to this day, oh my God. And I was three years old man. So what am I remember him?

Thom: 13:47 So you, so you don't remember what you soldthat it wasn't like some like his grandfather's wedding ring.

Uva: 13:53 It was all his collectibles. He was collecting a lot of antiques and I was selling to my neighbors!

Thom: 13:58 so did you have to do, I don't know, did he have to go back and re buy it back from the people?

Uva: 14:05 No, they returned it. Know my family is, you're just humoring you there. So yeah, so my, yeah, my man, my parents were, uh, I mean the, the, the, they raised us up with good values, but a principles good principles, I mean, uh, the thing about keeping our word is very important. Didn't, don't promise blindly. I think twice before I give my word to someone. If I have a doubt of doing something, I'll just see. I'll try. But if I know I can do that, I said Yep, no worries. Yeah. So it's kind of like stuck with me all these years. Yeah. And it's helped me to my career.

Thom : 14:44 You know, it's, it's really interesting because the people who pursue the truth of, of what's inside of them, it takes on all shapes and sizes and colors and variations. And here you are. Had you been born in say the United States or, or even just outside of Singapore, right? We're talking Malaysia, all these different places where, or even in Katmandu, um, who knows? Who knows what you might have done, but what's really cool is like, so you figure you become an F-16 pilot. I'm, I'm guessing. I doubt it, but no, no, I shouldn't guess anything. But did you ever train with any like were there, where does the United States, yes. So how do you like, is that how you learn how to fly an F 16 or is it all from within Singapore?

Uva: 15:40 Yeah. I turned a few places. France, United States. I spent a couple of years in Arizona, a couple of years in France. Yeah. We have, we have advanced training. We have a joint trainings with, so webegin learn from each other. The US air force as well as us, the French Air Force, a few other places around the, around the world as well. And Austria as well, either based in Austria to the basic fighter training and stuff like that. And of course Singapore to another local airspace based things and stuff. So yeah, a couple of places. So he was two years in flight training.

Thom : 16:12 so any, was there any chance or a time that you thought maybe you'd have to go into action or like any, like, I dunno [inaudible] did you have to ever have to go and fly into like battles so to speak? Or was there no active?

Uva: 16:28 Oh, the, the uh, they were kind of, uh, kind of, um, complex scenarios. Yeah. Um, I, I wouldn't won't tell them as conflict. I'll just say a normal, normal intercept, normal checking unidentified aircraft scenarios and stuff like that. Yeah. And a couple of other missions

Speaker 4: 16:45 that you can't talk about?

Uva: 16:46 That's right.

Thom: 16:47 Really, seriously? You can't like, that's pretty cool. So like, yeah, because it's classified.

Uva: 16:53 That's right.

Thom: 16:54 Huh? That's interesting. Okay.

Uva: 16:56 I learned a lot from all of airlines, all across the world. I learned a lot from them as well. The US air force, the French air force, Austrian air force. That was everywhere.

Thom : 17:06 Okay. That's really, really awesome. Um, so here you are in Katmandu Nepal and I'm guessing there aren't many F-16's here in Katmandu.

Uva: 17:18 Yeah, only choppers. So

Thom: 17:19 ...a lot of choppers. I as a, as a Mount Everest climb or on the south side, there's a Lotta Lotta choppers, like the helicopters coming in and out. Um, I, uh, I like to ask, so how did you end up here? And you told me earlier that you've been in Katmandu for about 10 months, so it sounds like are you're entering a new career phase that F16 is now with past. You could jump in one and fly it, but you're doing something different now. Tell, how did you end up here?

Uva: 17:54 All right, that's a pretty long story. Okay. Yeah. Go for it. Yeah. All right. Um, all right. Well I was, um, I mean after 15, 16 years of flying a decided to step back and um, I came out of the air force for a while then I was, I wanted to give something back to the community. So Iwas running to welfare homes, one for persons with, uh, mental disabilities and one persons with physical disabilities as well as a age related disabilities, uh, like uh, end stage care kind of homes. So I was running these two different homes. Um, and uh, one more was for those who are abused children, and children who are orphaned as well. So these homes were in Singapore and I came out of the air force. Then I was thinking, okay, it's time for me to do something back for the community. What shall I do? And Yup. I got the chance to run these homes and I, and I ran them. I ran them, I ran these homes, I got the shape up. The, the military training helped me to base the foundation to base the structure of the homes and to revive the homes to make it more, um, savvy and making more sharp and uh, yeah, the focus on the residents. My, my background is psychology helped me understand, um, how do we deliver the best care possible in the most humane way, to those facing end of life stage and those who have faced, um, trauma in their lives as well. So they kind of like, um, I loved it. Yeah. Yep. So I was running that for a couple of couple of years as well. Um, and also doing, um, consultancy for management. I was advising, um, some businesses. And how do you, uh, leadership management and leadership? How do you, how do you, how do you develop leaders?

Uva: 19:38 Yeah. What makes a leader? Yeah. But what makes a leader tick, what are the qualities, core values of a leader? The core values define a leader, right? And when these core values have always, always have to be in a leader, you know, any one of these, uh, are not in balance or out of sync. It's going to be, it's going to spell trouble for the leadership. So I did a couple of talks on, on those as well. And uh, what I was doing this, I met Jamie McGuinness. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I actually knew his a partner from the Singapore navy. So then Jamie came asked me if I was keen to come away and there was this company here in Nepal. Can you come over, help see if you can develop this company, putting some of your ideas and thoughts, make it sharp. And, I say, Hey, why not? Wow.

Uva: 20:27 A chance for me to make a difference is what makes me tick. Yeah. Chance any chance for me to make a difference in anything I do makes me go get it no matter which way. Anywhere in the world. Yeah. If there's any, anything anywhere in the world, I know I can make a difference, I willgo and make a difference. Yeah. I believe in making an impact. Yeah. We are here for a purpose. I don't know what my purpose is, but I'me here to make an impact. That's what I know. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So I came out to come and do it, but 10 months ago, thanks to Jamie, learning the ropes of this, um, company, Expedition Himalaya, it's a fantastic company. Yeah. So got to know the staff. Um, yeah, it was my biggest challenge here was um, I didn't want to force down the Singapore level of efficiency into the existing level of the in country standards because that's not fair, you see... Because in country they've got their own protocols, their own default system of functioning.

Uva: 21:25 I can't come from somewhere and then foster my system into them. So what I was trying to do this last few months to find a common ground where I can meet them halfway, the Nepal efficiency, halfway Singapore efficiency halfway. I get mulch them and I'm glad to say that. Yeah. Kind of like done that, done that. Um, so the last few expeditions were pretty good. Yeah. We had a couple of, uh, rough edges to smooth up. I am going to be honest about that, but it's a working process but it's so much better than how it was before. Yeah. And company is developing. We recently got rated by TripAdvisor as well. Um, yeah, and we're on track. I've got certain goals for the company, which I want them to hit like a trip excellence awards and stuff like that. So I'm putting these in and then my guys, as we're setting them for leadership training, especially my Sherpas, I think in Nepal, the Sherpas need some form of leadership training.

Uva: 22:18 We are training. I don't think they actually have it here. So me and Jamie were thinking about doing a professional development training for the Sherpas. Oh, so I'm going to start one next year. (Fantastic) If this goes well, we probably include other Sherpas, as well... Just to this, to this, to teach them how you carry yourself. You know, they're very good in technical skills. But what about the PR skills, you know, how to speak your guests, how they speak to your clients, how do you empathize, you know, the quality that that's very important up there. High in high mountains. So this is something you have, we're gonna we're going to work on. Yeah,

Thom : 22:53 that's incredible. And I, I'm gonna jump in there. So Jamie McGuinness who Uva has spoken about who asked him to come over to help run Expedition Himalaya. Uh, Jamie is a six time summitter of Mount Everest. He has been on virtually dozens of 8,000 meter peak climbing expeditions and I've known Jamie for probably 10 years but never really known him until recently where we partook in a, in an expedition together in Tibet and um, and yeah, so Jamie's partner is Singaporean, right? And that, and so, yeah. So Jamie, fortunately and I sometimes I, I there are no mistakes in this world. I think it was probably meant to be and you were looking or running successfully, some incredible organizations. But boy Jamie scored when he crossed paths with you and the fact that you accepted his offer, it sounds like a big challenge because running an expedition company, whether its treksin Ladakh or an expedition to Mount Everest, there's so many moving parts and there's so many things that can go wrong. Let's take for instance, you think the team is driving back home from China into Kathmandu and then there's rains and an entire half of a road washes out. So everybody gets stuck on one side and they get stuck. And how do you get 12, 15 tons of equipment across a gap between where two roads should actually be just one. Yeah. Um, it's really, really exciting that the thing that resonated with me, obviously there's a dozen things I could ask you about, but you talked about the Sherpa cause the Sherpa are such a vital part of success on anything from a trek to get to the summit of Mount Everest or any other peak. You really nailed it. There's a lot of organizations, or not a lot, but there are organizations that are starting to teach technical abilities. Um, the Khumbu climbing school for instance in Phortse, Nepal, which is just being dedicated I think tomorrow or the next day for the first time. And it's an indoor climbing wall. So the Sherpa become proficient at the technical aspect. But as a guy who's been on a number of expeditions and it's okay, but, but you nailed it. It's there. There are some Sherpa who might have a little shyness about their inability to speak English or Spanish or French or whatever it might be. But you know, it's, it's easy to say this as a, as an American or someone from North America, but just learning English can connect so many cultures on an expedition because everybody, I hate to say it cause I'm not a self centered, like our country is the center of all activity in the world, but if some of these Sherpa just learn how to speak some really basic English, it connects, it builds bridges and suddenly there's working that people are working together. Um, yeah. And uh, well I would like to volunteer to at least be a part of that in whatever way I might help because that's a phenomenal idea and I've never really heard anybody talk about that before.

Uva: 26:38 Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. It's something which I'm really pushing. This can be done. I think d we needed to do a lot for that, for that culture.

Thom: 26:44 If somebody would be interested in learning more about some of the work that you've done is, do you have any, uh, like the, the, you said you were running hones in Singapore. It's right. Is there a, if somebody wanted to help or participate or, or, or be of assistance in some of the things that you've spoken about today, is there a place that I could send them? Would they go to Expedition Himalaya and send you an email or I think probably send me an email. Okay.

Uva: 27:20 They can probably call me at my local number, I guess. I'm on WHATSAPP. Viber, emo, everything.

Thom: 27:27 Okay. Well what I'll do is I'll put in the notes to this podcast a place that they can reach you. I'll probably leave the phone number out. So all of a sudden you're not inundated with fans. I want to meet an F16 pilot. He's single, you know, all these women who listen. Cause I've had so many followers who are single women who want to look for an at an enterprising guy. Yeah. Um, but, but I want to thank you so much and I wish you every success in the things that you're doing.

Uva: 28:00 Thank you so much Thom.

Thom: 28:01 And Uva, I mean, if any, if you continue pursuing that idea, I don't even really know how I could help other than maybe help you bring people to you that might be, have a financial resources or know some things. I would love to help because that, this is, this is the, one of the things I did in one of my, my podcasts earlier, uh, about 19 years ago, I had an opportunity to interview Sir Edmund Hillary as many people who listen to this podcast know he and Tenzing Norgay were the first people to climb Mount Everest citrus successfully in 1953. And the one thing about Ed Hillary is after he summited Mount Everest, he was given world fame. He, I don't know if he was a brilliantly wealthy man, but, but fortune. And what he did was he spent the rest of his life giving back beauties with the people of the Khumbu region and to Nepal. It's reforesting. He built schools, hospitals, he gave back and that was, he never wanted people to say your incredible, he was like, no,

Thom: 29:27 Oops, I just gave his age. All right ladies he's 39 um, you could have retired and you're going to keep on working hard.

Uva: 29:35 But he would've given me the sense of how I'm feeling now. That sounds like getting back, that sense of giving back is the greatest sense of satisfaction, I feel. Yeah, I always had that. Yeah. Putting a smile on someone's face buried in a counseling session of being in a one to one session is something that makes my day. It's incredible all the time.

Thom: 29:53 That's incredible. Well, thank you so much for being a part of Baker Street with Tom Pollard. It is an honor to be your friend.

Uva: 30:01 Pleasure is mine. My own at the same as well. Thank you so much. Thank you so much Thom

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Thom : 30:33 What a really cool guy and I so enjoyed my conversation with him. I knew from the beginning when I met you've a, that he was the kind of person that I'd like to have on Baker Street with Thom Pollard. I don't think that you need to become an F16 fighter pilot to be appropriate for this podcast. But what really fit the bill is that instead of retiring, which he easily could have done and still volunteered and things like that, Uva went on to run two welfare homes. He said at one point there were in different homes at 150 residents and 70 different staff, which is pretty incredible. And what he did with his psychology background, he had an aptitude for counseling, whether it was orphaned, abused children or children whose parents were incarcerated, or people with mental, physical or medical challenges and help those people transform their lives. It seems to me in some respects that says an important job as being an a pilot who helps defend the security of a, of a country. So he really reached down deep and gave back to his community. I was really my good fortune that I had the opportunity to meet you've, uh, as the person who helps run a company called Expedition Himalaya. And that was the name that you had heard earlier. Jamie McGuiness is a guy that I've known for some years and Jamie McGuiness is a, as a climbing guide and a trekking guide who has tagged Everest on six different occasions. And he was the one who through his partner, a woman who was also in the Singapore air force, met Uva and asked Uva to come and take the challenge of trying to run Expedition Himalaya and to help grow it. And I have no doubt in my mind that Uva's experience, enthusiasm, intelligence and sticktuitiveness will have a huge impact.

Thom : 33:10 So if you'd like to find him, I will post his email address on the notes to this podcast. He might be worth reaching out to if you have any thoughts or ideas or want to learn more about the programs that he had involved himself in. Anyway, next week I look, I, I dunno, it's going to be tough to match that one, but each week I'll endeavor to bring on a guest or tell a story that is of interest to you and hopefully we can continue to grow our fan base and our listener base.

Thom: 33:51 Uva, again, sums up really the idea behind Baker Street with Thom Pollard. I've said this every time we create our reality with the thoughts that we empower. And you've, uh, was somebody who really took his thoughts and his dreams and his desires and made them become reality, whether it was trying to hawk his father's a collectibles when he was three years old to go get sweets at, uh, the store downtown or becoming an F16 fighter pilot. Uva when he had a vision and a desire, he made it come true. I think he can be an inspiration for all of us. I know for sure he is for me and as a guy who's darn near old enough to be his dad, you know, I still look at people like that and I think there's so much more than I can do with my life. So many things that I can do to improve not only my life, but, but the, the atmosphere and the positivity of those who I come into contact with. So as I say, we create our reality with the thoughts we empower. I believe that just in in my good fortune, it wasn't a mistake that I met someone like Uva and I hope you've enjoyed listening to him as much as I did interviewing him, so thank you very much for listening.

Thom : 35:23 Again, you had heard the music of Metyu,VKTRD & Ondro M off of their improvisations volume 2 release, which can be found on the free music archive. If you're interested in finding out more about me or in joining the mailing list or in sharing Baker Street with Thom Pollard, with friends or family or people that you come into contact, go to my website, and on the top you can see a contact button. Click it and write me a short note and say, Hey, I'd like to join your mailing list so I can give you guys first dibs on the next Baker Street that comes out. Also, I would love it if you shared it on social media and told people you can put it on Instagram with a link. You can put it on Facebook, Twitter, whatever works for you.

Thom: 36:23 And I would be honored to have you share this with others because as we endeavor to make this a better world to live in, we need to spread our positivity and our thoughts and those things do impact people's lives even if we only come into contact them with them for such a short time. So let's make this world a better place. Let's make this a place that's more positive and kind and, and a place where people can grow and prosper and not worry about whatever shortcomings they might judge themselves to have or, or not judge others' shortcomings because judgment really is, is, is that the root of questioning the truth of who we really are. So be kind to yourself and when you look in the mirror, no judgment, just be kind, um, accept where you are. Endeavor to be a better person and more kind and make this a better place to live. Thank you for visiting me on Baker Street with Tom Pollard. I look forward to seeing you and hearing from you as often as you ever want to write me. Thank you so much and I will be seeing you real soon.

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